So for some time now I have been going on about my idea that the Djinn and Fae are the same. That the word Djinn is simply referring to the same thing, just from a different language, group of people, country and culture. This held up pretty well until now. I made a mistake, and I am not afriad to say so.
The reason I held this idea was because there are so many parallels between Djinn and Fae. They both exist in a space that is in our world but slightly removed from it, in a parallel dimension if you will; they can both move between that dimensional world into our’s and back again; they are not particularly fond of humans and although some will work with humans under certain circumstances, they generally have the attitude that humans must go; and they are both allergic to iron.
This last one, being allergic to iron is the one that has brought me to write this post today. We can have different forms of spirits that are similar, act in a similar fashion, such as move between worlds, hate humans, and live in a different vibrational space, but they will not be the same type of spirit. What we call the Fair Folk are not the same as Elemental beings or nature spirits for example. However, it was this last one, being allergic to iron that really sold it for me, and I thought I was really onto something.
I was wrong. Djinn are not allergic to iron, in fact it is quite the opposite. In some ways I feel like I am living a Mandela effect because I remember multiple sources that spoke of this, but I can now only find one. Having said that, there must be many who also believe it, or it wouldn’t be a question that so many ask.
There is one source I can find that speaks of this however, although it is now pretty vague, and that is the Testament of Solomon. This begins with the demon Ornias being trapped and summoned to speak with Solomon. In the text it is mentioned that Ornias fears iron. Solomon later “weighs down” Asmodeus with iron. This may have led people to think that the Djinn are allergic to iron. It could be that some people caught onto the stories of Fae being allergic and after hearing the Solomonic stories thought they were the same (me included it seems), and then created a whole myth around this.
Another source we could consider is the book by Philip J. Imbrogno and Rosemary Ellen Guiley called The Vengeful Djinn, in which it is stated: “The iron at the time (of Solomon) was very pure, a form called magnetite. If djinn are composed of plasma, which can be affected by magnetic fields, then the magnetic energy given off by the ore might have been harmful to them.” I realize this is mere speculation.
So the question now remains, why is it wrong?
For the answer to this we have to look at scholarly texts from the Islamic faith (as that is where the Djinn come from). What we find is that iron was created for the Djinn to adorn themselves. Yes you read that right, adorn. Put very simply, if the Djinn are wearing iron as jewellry, then there is no way they can be allergic to it.
Where do we find mention of this? In the Hadith in Bihar Al-Anwaar. On page 73 we find:
“From Abu Abdullah having said: ‘Allah made the iron to be in the world as an adornment for the Jinn and the Satans, so it is forbidden unto the Muslim man that he would be wearing it during the Salat, except if he happens to be the Muslim during battling an enemy, then there is no problem with it.'”
And on page 263:
“And upon him (Iblis) was a robe he had tied in his waist with a belt wherein were strings hanging, between red, and yellow and green, and all the colours, and there, in his hand was a large bell, and upon his head was a helmet, and there, in the helmet there was an iron hanging, resembling with the dogs.”
I know this is only evidence found in one book, however we also have to bear in mind that in the Islamic religion, a follower is not allowed to use such things as talismans or amulets. The use of iron to repel Djinn would have been considered an aboration in the eyes of Allah because the follower is trusting in something other than Allah. Therefore putting your trust in an object made of iron instead of the word of Allah goes against all of the Islamic teachings and would not have been a thing to begin with.
My conclusion to this is that the idea I had that Djinn and Fae are the same, just called by different names, and that the Djinn are allergic to iron, is wrong. I am also put even less faith in the Solomonic texts, not that I had much to begin with. I apologise if I mislead anyone in this regard.
This is something that comes up repeatedly, how do we test the Spirits, and it is something that should be done with all Spirits, whether they be God, Goddess, Daemon or Angel. If we do not, then we could end up with an astral parasite posing as the Spirit with which we wish to communicate with, and then its all downhill from there. This is difficult for many people because we are taught to not question authority and in terms of an ancient Spirit that holds so much power, how could we possibly put them under such scrutiny? However, the Spirit or Divine Intelligence that we are wishing to talk with would actually expect it. They really don’t want you to find yourself in a compromising situation.
I have created various content regarding this topic in the past, but it has always been to ask the Spirits questions, and if you don’t feel good around the Spirit, to banish. If it doesn’t want to answer your questions, or it was actually banished when you performed that act, then it wasn’t the Spirit you thought it was. However, what are these questions? Is there are a particular way this should be done? I recently read an absolutely fantastic book by Tara Sanchez called The Temple of Hekate, and if you are interesting in working with Hekate, or you have a draw to work magic within the framework of a Greek worldview and praxis, then you should definitely read this book. In the book is a step by step guide on how to test, and I thought it was a great example and therefore wanted to share it and discuss it. So let’s get started.
Step One: Ask the Entity if they agree to be tested?
The response to this is quite simple, if they decline, banish. If they accept, move on to step 2.
The interesting thing is that this doesn’t just apply to the Spirits. If you have a teacher, or someone in a position of authority who does not agree to be questioned, then they are probably not a leader that you want to have around. Unfortunately, we have too many such leaders in our midst and it has become something we have grown used to. We are also told that it is normal to not question such people, so those people in the positions of authority will have it in their head that if you question them, that you are being insubordinate, not to mention how we are taught to do things within the Christian worldview. However, when it comes to the Spirits, if they do not agree to be tested or questioned, then they have something to hide, and a Divine Intelligence would not need to hide anything.
Step Two: Ask Entity for their name and any affiliations they may have?
In some interactions with Spirits they will give us personal names that we can use to call them in the future. These names are usually not known by anyone else and is only for you to use, and it is a name that is to be kept secret, or shared with a trusted group that you may work with. This personal name makes it easier to call on the Spirit in the future and know that when they come, it is the Spirit and not an imposter.
In this instance however, when you are first meeting a Spirit, the name it will give you is the common name that we have come to know it by through study and discussion with other people. The affiliations may be in relation to the Spirits lineage, or it may give you particular correspondences relating to its position.
There is however the chance that the Spirit could be lying to you. In such a case you will have to trust your gut and if things don’t feel right, then banish and leave. Try another day. Otherwise, same as before, if the Spirit refuses to answer, then banish, if they give you an acceptable answer, and you are comfortable with it, nothing seeming out of place or suspicious, then move onto step 3.
Step Three: Ask Entity to swear upon their identity that their responses to you will always be truthful?
Here you will definitely have to go with your gut, and sometimes, even if the Spirit is not the one you wanted to talk to, it may not be an astral parasite. This is where lines get fuzzy and there are no text book answers. If the Spirit makes it through these three tests however, and you are not feeling like something is wrong, then you can usually be assured that you are talking to the correct Spirit.
Again though, if they decline or you don’t feel like things are right, then banish and leave, otherwise move onto step 4.
Step Four: Introduce yourself in a formal manner
This isn’t technically a test, but it is good etiquette when dealing with Spirits. A formal introduction would be something like, “I am [your full name], who’s father is [your father’s full name] and who’s mother is [your mother’s full name].” Or something simple like, “I am [your full name], who was given life by [your mother’s full name].” You can also go onto give your magical name and position or title within your given tradition, if you have such things.
Now you can go on to give the Spirit a password and some questions and answers (not too many, just one or two will do). This is so that when you meet again, the Spirit can give you the password and answer the specific questions and you know for certain that it is the Spirit you interacted with previously, as the Spirit will not give these passphrases to anyone else.
The Banishing
The only remaining question is, what do you do to banish the Spirit. Simply draw a banishing pentagram of Earth in front of you and push it toward the Spirit. This can be drawn with your finger, hand, athame, whatever you use to project energy, and is usually drawn as a blue flame.
To draw the pentagram you would start at the bottom left (Earth), move up to the top point (Spirit) and then continue to trace the pentagram coming back to the bottom left. This is often easier done practically if you stand up, then touch your left hip and from that position, move your hand forward to point in front of you. Then move your hand to a position that is in line with your head but pointing forward. Come down to a position in line with your right hip, then up to your left shoulder, across to your right shoulder, and back down to your left hip.
Although the word Demonology is old, the term Demonolatry is a fairly recent inclusion to the field, and Demonosophy even more recent. From what I can tell, the earliest use of the term Demonolatry was from S. Connolly’s books, the earliest published one being 1998 which was Modern Demonolatry, therefore it would have started to make its way into the mainstream around the mid to late 2000s. I can’t however pinpoint when Demonosophy first started being used, I only came across it myself when I saw someone else using the term and it peeked my curiosity.
Is there much a difference between Demonolatry and Demonosophy? Let’s take the words apart and have a look, then you can make your own mind up.
Before we do that, it should be mentioned that the two terms are also spelled with the English and the Latin, being Demonolatry and Daemonolatry, as well as Demonosophy and Daemonosophy. This obviously extends from the modern English word ‘demon’ originating from the Latin ‘daemon’, and the spellings are used interchangeably. I prefer to include the ‘a’.
Demonology
This is simply the study of demons, and we find that most people who are demonologists are Christian. They study the demons from Biblical texts and pass judgement on them. It is for this reason that people who work with the Daemons do not use this term to describe themselves or their practice. It should be noted however that every Daemonolator and Daemonosopher is also a demonologist because we obviously need to study the Daemons, however it is generally consider that this falls into the purview of the former mentioned practitioners of the Daemonic Artes.
Daemonolatry
This is the worship of Daemons. Now I believe this is why the term Daemonosopher came about, however that then suggests a misunderstanding of the word ‘worship’. The suffix itself, that being ‘-olatry’ means “worship of or devotion to”. Some would suggest that this suffix is a fanatical ‘worship of’, but let us have a look at the word ‘worship’ before we go onto the next term.
From etymonline.com we find the following:
“Old English worðscip, wurðscip (Anglian), weorðscipe (West Saxon) ’condition of being worthy, dignity, glory, distinction, honor, renown,’ from weorð ‘worthy’ (or worth) + –scipe (or -ship).”
What we find is a combination of the words ‘worth’ and the suffix ‘-ship’. If we have a look at the etymology of those we find that ‘worth’ is:
“Old English weorþ ‘significant, valuable, of value; valued, appreciated, highly thought-of, deserving, meriting; honorable, noble, of high rank; suitable for, proper, fit, capable.’”
We can therefore say that to worship a Daemon is to consider that spirit to be worthy of its station or office, and therefore is worthy of our honor and that we value the interaction we have with that spirit. From the suffix -ship alone we can consider this to be a ‘relation between’ ourselves and the Daemonic.
This is not throwing ourselves at the mercy of a Daemon and asking them to make our lives better, as many consider this word worship to indicate. It is about working the Daemonic in order to make ourselves better, but we still need to do the work, they are just there to guide us and teach us. In fact just looking at the word ‘daemon’ or from the Greek ‘daimon’ by itself, this is a tutelary spirit, so the Daemons will teach, tutor and guide, not do things for us. Which brings us to…
Daemonosophy
Let’s have a look at the Satan and Suns website for a definition here (I could be wrong, but I have a feeling this is where the term originated): “Demonosophy meaning to work and walk with learning knowledge and wisdom from the Demons and Dark Lords, and working with Companion Demons and the Dark Lords to learn to leave [I assume this is a mistyping and should have been lead] an inspired and empowered life…Demonosophers invite demons to join us on this journey and are our guides and mentors.”
The etymology of the suffix -sophy in this case being a, “word-forming element meaning ‘knowledge’, from Old French, –sophie, from Latin –sophia, from Greek –sophia, from sophia ‘skill, wisdom, knowledge.”
So, taking all of that into consideration…can you see a difference? I can’t see a difference. The definition for Daemonosophy is the definition for Daemonolatry, when you take the time to understand the meaning of the singular word ‘worship’. That word is such a troublemaker.
The idea of “Forces of Darkness” is purely a Christian paradigm. Some people on a magickal path like to use the term, either to describe those who are of the Left Hand Path, or by those LHPers to describe the oogy boogy forces and powers that they follow. This brings us to the idea of Light vs Dark.
The problem here is quite simple really. It just doesn’t matter. What you will want to work toward is to release yourself from the prison of being separated, and that includes using things like dark and light in your vocabulary. The separation this causes is still tied to that Christian Worldview that you want to step out of. However, to get to that, you need to have an understanding of both in order to know how to bring them into union.
So, if we take the concept of “Dark Forces” from the Christian perspective, this would be anything which is not Christian. That includes all Pagan, Magical, Heathen, and more paths. This even includes subtle practices such as Reiki, which some Christians still believe is “from the Devil”. Therefore, what can we, as Magick Users, consider to be “dark”?
This is going to depend on what path someone is following. If a person is a Neo-Pagan or Neo-Wiccan, then they may consider Traditional Witchcraft to be “dark”, because instead of calling the Lord and Lady which to many can be light and airy, a Trad Crafter might be calling the Devil and the Blood Mother. Just those terms alone might send a Neo-Wiccan into a frenzy, and they might start praying for the poor soul who is so lost in the dirt of the earth, with their stang, skull and cross bones. This imagery might remind you of something, i.e. the Christian praying for the soul of the damned person who has turned away from God, oh save our souls.
However, within the general Magickal community, the “Forces of Darkness” are usually in reference to the so-called Left Hand Path practices. Now this can possibly be viewed in two ways.
In many of the Left Hand Path practices, we find a focus on the entities and spirits of the Ancient Middle East. In some regards this is seen as being more powerful than any other areas of the world, largely because it is believed that these regions are where magic originated, i.e. Sumeria, Babylon, Persia, etc. and it is why so many people in the West are attracted to it. This creates two kinds of imagery. One is of the dark times when the people of antiquity were calling on spirits, and the second is simply the skin color of the people within those regions. This is a racist view mostly, and is just silly, however if you really think about it, this is some of the imagery that arises. When we are dealing with these ideologies, we are focused on the Ancient Middle East and that alone pulls up the visualizations of a dark continent, where dark people lived, and called upon dark spirits.
Then we have those of the Left Hand Path that like to make things edgy. The scarier and darker they can make things within their practice, the better they feel about themselves. This is usually a rebellion that is a reaction to the Christian ideology that they are trying to escape from. Unfortunately some don’t grow out of it, and it becomes their identity, trapping them again, in that separation, and no better than the Christian ideologies they were trying to escape from in the first place.
There are of course those that consider themselves to be “of the Light” and someone following Daemonolatry, Satanism, et al are therefore “of the Darkness”. This is purely a Christian idea which has been brought over to the Magickal and Pagan communities, and one I think needs to be strongly rejected. It speaks of a lack of understanding and a resistance to growth.
However, the Darkness holds Wisdom, and the Light shines brightest in the Dark. You cannot have one without the other.
There is the saying “knowledge is power”, but knowledge only becomes powerful when it is understood and becomes wisdom. Here we can look at three of the sephirah in the upper part of the Kabbalistic Tree, Da’at, Binah and Chockmah, or Knowledge, Understanding and Wisdom. Da’at is the Abyss, and as we know, an abyss is darkness, a bottomless chasm. We have to move through this darkness in order to gain the Knowledge. We then have to move into Understanding in order to assimilate that Knowledge, and once that has been done, we can move into Wisdom. The union of this is the Crown, the Light, Kether.
So, what do I think this Darkness is? It is the Abyss. This Abyss is feared by many because it is unknown. Because it is feared, it is all things which are feared. It is the shadow side of our nature. It is the beast that lurks beneath the surface that we are told we must cage and never let out. It is the passion and lust that we feel that we are instructed to keep under wraps in order to be accepted. It is all things that we have been told are not allowed for one reason or another, usually because it is not proper or it is taboo. Power alone can be found in these places, simply by breaking them open, and when we dare to venture into the Abyss, we will find that comfort and warmth that has been kept from us as we float unhindered in the nothing which is everything.
The so-called “Forces of Darkness” are those powers and forces, entities, energies and spirits that are waiting for us to discover the extent of our true selves. The entirety of our being. We cannot be whole until we unite the light and dark within us and bring them into harmony. Until then we remain divided, separated, disconnected from that which we are.
Of course if we are going to talk about dark entities within the likes of Daemonolatry, I would say we are talking about astral parasites, lower energy beings that are not considered to be Divine Intelligences. These entities are around us all the time. A majority of them are thoughtforms created from fear, anxiety, anger, and they tend to feed off fear. In order to do that they will create fear so that they can grow more of their food, and these are the types of entities you want to stay away from.
Darkness is the spaces between the particles. The nothingness and void that is found between the atomic particles and sub-particles. Nothing can exist without the no-thing, and so Darkness is the everything.
The Djinn, called “God’s other people”, and the name meaning “hidden or concealed” are spirits from Islamic mythology. They are beings that live outside of our dimensional plane, yet interact with humans in various ways. This land is often referred to as Kaf (Mount Qaf or Qaf-Kuh) which in Islamic mythology is a legendary mountain made of shining emerald, the home of the Djinn.
However, we can look further back to the ancient Persians who believed in a similar spirit called jainni and jaini, being of the masculine and feminine. Inscriptions dating back three thousand years, show that djinn-like beings, called ginnaye meaning the “rewarding gods” and “gods of pleasure and pain”, were worshipped. In the legends these gods were largely benevolent, but could suddenly turn without warning. It could be said that they are the same as the Fae of European Tradition, the ‘inorganic beings’ that don Juan mentioned to Carlos Castaneda, and various other Otherwordly Beings that we find in tales and mythology throughout human history.
It is mentioned in the Qur’an that the Djinn were created by Allah before humans. Nobody is certain of when they were created, but tales suggest it was around 2,000 years before the first human. They built civilizations and some suggest that they burnt it all down, much like humans are now doing to our planet. Could this have been a race of beings that walked the earth, stripped all of its resources and were then banished to a parallel existence in order to replenish the earth’s resources? Could it be that humans were the next experiment, to see if beings created from clay and dirt could be better than those created from the “smokeless fire” of the desert? Who knows, but its interesting to consider.
Indeed, We created man from sounding clay moulded from black mud. As for the jinn, We created them earlier from smokeless fire.
Qur’an Al-Hijr 15.26-27
The Fall of Iblis
There are varying stories regarding the origins of Iblis. One account mentions him to be a high-ranking angel named Azazel who was instructed to obliterate the Djinn from earth so that they could be replaced by humans. Another account states that he created from the fires beneath the seventh earth and after thousands of worship to Allah, he was raised to the company of the angels in the seventh heaven.
Whichever account is correct, Iblis was the leader of the Djinn, created from something different form the angels, that being a spiritual light, but loved by Allah and allowed to stand with Allah. However, when the first human was created, Allah instructed all of the angels to prostrate before this new creation. Iblis refused and was cast out of Paradise. Iblis was therefore sent to earth to lead the Djinn and to stray until the Day of Judgement.
And [mention, O Muhammad], when your Lord said to the angels, “I will create a human being out of clay from an altered black mud. And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My [created] soul, then fall down to him in prostration.”
So the angels prostrated – all of them entirely, Except Iblees, he refused to be with those who prostrated.
[ Allah ] said, O Iblees, what is [the matter] with you that you are not with those who prostrate?”
He said, “Never would I prostrate to a human whom You created out of clay from an altered black mud.”
[ Allah ] said, “Then get out of it, for indeed, you are expelled. And indeed, upon you is the curse until the Day of Recompense.”
He said,”My Lord, then reprieve me until the Day they are resurrected.”
[ Allah ] said, “So indeed, you are of those reprieved
Qur’an Al-Hijr 15.28-37
In regards to Iblis being Azazel, it is worth going into the mythology of the Grigori or The Watchers. Azazel is often also called Shemyaza (in some stories they are not the same Angel, but stood alongside each other in the rebellion), the leader of the Grigori who led the rebellion of the Angels to teach humans various skills and to mate with human women, because he and the other Watchers were enamored with earth and humans. It is mentioned in the Qu’ran that Iblis said he would prove that humans are not worthy of God’s love, and would lead them astray. I would say that this tale and that of the Grigori are one in the same, and that Iblis/Azazel/Shemyaza are the same Angel. I personally work with Azazel and Shemyaza as two aspects of the same entity.
The Orders
Of all of the Orders and Classes of the Djinn that I have come across, the best and most extensive comes from the book The Vengeful Djinn: Unveiling the Hidden Agenda of Genies by Philip J. Imbrogno and Rosemary Ellen Guiley. From the Appendix of the book, we find the following:
Black Djinn
The most powerful of all djinn, little is known about them. The only reference we have is from ancient Persia, where they were called shamir.
Blue Djinn
The elders and clan leaders of the djinn order. They have little interaction with humans, but have been known to participate in important moments of history. They are known as Marid, Nekratael, and Afreet.
Yellow Djinn
Middle-aged djinn with considerable power. Most are family leaders. They have little if no interest in the human race and the physical world. They are known as Juzam and the nastier ones are called Efreeti.
Green Djinn
Youngest and least powerful of the djinn. They are curious and like to interact with the human race in the physical world. Many young ones like to play pranks on humans. They are known as Erhnam, Kookus, Aamar, Arwaah, Jann, and Amir.
Red Djinn
Very old and powerful djinn. Most were once blue djinn. They worship Iblis and their goal is to destroy all humans. They are served by other djinn, and in rare cases, humans. Some serve willingly, some by force. They are known as ghouls, shaitan or shayteen, and ifrit.
The Ifrit are said to be the Djinn that King Solomon bound and tortured.
The Solomonic Problem
When it comes to King Solomon and the Djinn, we will have to talk about one of the books from The Lesser Keys of Solomon, the Ars Goetia. Although the 72 spirits in this grimoire are said to be “demons” or “devils” they are Djinn. Now there are several problems with this book, of which two I would like to discuss.
Firstly, the names of the 72 Spirits of the Goetia are not the original names of the Spirits that Solomon summoned. The original text which was Miscelaneo de Solomon which was translated and put into book format by Nineveh Shadrach, titled The Book of Dead Names, lists 72 Spirits with very different names and callings. It is suspected that it was much later that the text of the Goetia was formulated as a combination of Miscelaneo de Solomon and The Book of the Offices of Spirits(Liber Officiorum Spirituum), the names changed and the inclusion of ritual formats that were not in the original , plus the exclusion of herbal lore which was in the original text. Johann Weyer’s Pseudomonarchia Daemonum used Liber Officiorum Spirituum as a source, and Pseudomonarchia Daemonum is also said to be one of the source books for the compilation of the Ars Goetia.
So, who are the Spirits within the Goetia? To the best of my knowledge, they are Djinn, however they are not the Djinn that King Solomon used (and abused). At least, not the Ifreet of the original working that were forced to built the Temple of Jerusalem. However, they are quite real and tales do refer to the spirits from the Ars Goetia as being those that King Solomon coerced into slavery. This is where the second problem comes up.
I can’t say that King Solomon was and is the only turd to have done this, but he is the best recorded, however he treated these Spirits so disgustingly, that they became quite annoyed with humans to the point where they can’t trust humans and wish us all dead. Quite frankly I can’t blame them. It is for this reason that if you wish to work with them, approach very slowly. The 72 Spirits that we find in the Goetia as we know it today have become quite amenable to us humans as they have found some respect again, but be wary anyway. If they decide they don’t like you, don’t push it.
King Solomon quite literally enslaved, beat and tortured these spirits. It started off with Ornias who was told to cut stones for the Temple using iron tools, which is quite harmful to these spirits. In order to end his suffering, Ornias made a deal with Solomon and forced Beelzebub to come to Solomon by throwing Solomon’s ring at him. Beelzebub was forced to cut blocks of Theban marble, and because Beelzebub is a mighty prince and rules over Tartarus, the humiliation made the other Djinn howled in protest. Being helpless, Beelzebub agreed to call the Djinn for Solomon who then discovered how to nullify them by the power of the angels.
As the tale goes, one of them at least, the first was a female Djinni named Onoskelis who was sentenced to spinning hemp ropes. The second was Asmodeus, who was extremely pissed and threatened Solomon with a prediction of how the Djinn will one day be free and reign over humans like Gods. Solomon decided that his punishment would makes things a-okay (moron) and sentenced Asmodeus to be weakened by iron, carry ten water jugs and to make clay by treading it.
Of course it didn’t stop there and later Solomon imprisoned an unknown number of Djinn is brass bottles laced with iron as well as holding them captive in magic rings.
This of course is my biggest gripe with Ceremonial Magicians who think it is ok to bind, trap and threaten the Spirits of the Goetia, and it is why we hear the stories of the Spirits fighting back every now and then. Serves them right.
In Conclusion
The Djinn are a fascinating subject, however because they have such a disdain for humans, firstly because they refused to bow to humans (not sure why they had to do that in first place), and secondly because they have been so badly treated over centuries, it is a good idea to approach them with extreme care. As mentioned the 72 Spirits of the Ars Goetia are more inclined to work with humans, and if we treat them the proper respect they deserve, they can be very friendly.
There are many stories and tales that are absolutely astounding, and even mention of Djinn marrying humans. We also have S. Ben Qayin’s book about the Ifreet that Solomon so liberally pissed off, The Book of Smokeless Fire. Although an interesting book in relation to the history of the Djinn and the applications of magick, I wouldn’t suggest going down the road of summoning these particular spirits. As Qayin himself mentions, “They are hate, pain and disease waiting to be released upon the world with a rage that is unmatched.”
References:
The Vengeful Djinn: Unveiling the Hidden Agenda of Genies by Philip J. Imbrogno and Rosemary Ellen Guiley The Book of Smokeless Fire by S Ben Qayin 1001 Nights by Richard Francis Burton The Qur’an
There are a lot of ways that we can be attacked, psychically and astrally.
Today I’m talking about two specific negative entities that you can find yourself under attack from and ways that you can deal with that. Negative entities, how they attack, how to identify them, and what to do with them if you are under attack.
We are going to speak specifically about astral parasites and self-created thought forms. I think these are the most common negative entities that come along and attack people. However, it doesn’t need to be specifically somebody who are working magick, especially in the case of self-created thought forms. A lot of the time a self-created thought form is created by people who don’t work magick.
I think in most cases this goes hand in hand with people thinking it is ghosts or poltergeists or something like that, but it is a self-created thought form.
If you are under attack, what you will find a lot of the time, especially astral parasites, you are going to find yourself possibly in depression or anxiety, even having suicidal tendencies. In all of these cases, please seek out professional help. Seek out a psychologist and a psychiatrist if necessary. It’s vital, it’s extremely vital.
Let’s start with astral parasites.
I speak about astral parasites quite a bit on my channel. In demonolatry, quite often, they are referred to as Others. These are low energy forms, often called demonic, but they are low energy entities.
Quite often, especially when we work with spirits of various types, we can find that an astral parasite gets attached to us instead of the Daemon or deity that we are wishing to communicate with. These astral parasites can come through in many other ways.
You could open a portal, for instance, and not close it properly afterwards.
Even if you’ve opened the portal to work with specific deities and those deities or Daemons have come through and you’ve worked with them, and they have gone home again, if you haven’t closed the portal properly, then the astral parasites are going to come along, see the open portal and fly towards this opening.
You may find if you’ve opened a portal within your home, you’re going to have attacks in your home.
It’s quite often when we don’t use discernment properly, when we are working with a deity, a demon, a divine intelligence, and we contact that demon, what comes through is not the demon itself. You may think it is, but it’s actually an astral parasite.
There are ways to test this.
The easiest way is how it makes you feel.
If it makes you feel anxious, if it makes you feel fearful, if you feel like you’re under threat, or anything like that. Then it’s probably an astral parasite.
There are some exceptions to this, depending on the work you’re doing and the demon you’re working with, which could be something in the lines of teaching you.
You also get instances where a demon will literally rip your life to pieces in order to put it back together again. These are severe cases. If you work with Mammon, for instance, you might have that happen, but you need to be able to discern between the demon itself and an astral parasite.
Through doing that you will know it’s the actual demon you’re working with, and if you go through those processes, you know what’s going to come out at the end, and that will be a lot of happiness and a lot of improvement in your life.
There are exceptions to the case, but generally speaking, if you are going to work with a demon, and the energy of that demon comes in, it is usually quite comforting.
If it’s an astral parasite coming through, you’re going to feel threatened, you might feel cold, but even if the demon comes through and you feel icy cold, you will still find, I do anyway, that it’s comforting. Even if it’s icy cold or if it’s warm, it’s still a comfortable sort of feeling.
That is the easiest way to discern between the demon and the astral parasite.
Over time if you’re working constantly with the same spirit, you’ll find that the difference between a demon and an astral parasite is quite definite.
If the entity is asking you to harm yourself or other people. If you are getting more and more depressed and anxious. Any of these negative emotions, any of the negative thoughts, any of these negative feelings, that’s an astral parasite.
A demon is not going to ask you to harm yourself or other people.
If you do start having those thoughts, then you’re probably dealing with an astral parasite.
With an astral parasite you’ll usually find that you’ll ask for something and you’ll get it, quite fast, almost immediately. That is the astral parasite instilling confidence in itself, so that you actually do want to work the spirit because it brings you things.
It brings you what you’ve asked for, but then it starts asking you for things that you’re not comfortable with and it tells you that you have to do it.
It will force and force and force and will create more depression. It will create more anxiety or create more fear. It’s that fear and depression that it feeds off, so it wants to create that, and so it will bring you things in order to create confidence.
If that’s happening, stop.
If you’re getting depressed or being told to do things you don’t want to, stop immediately.
The longer you continue with that relationship, the worse it becomes, the more ingrained it becomes, the more energetically bonded you become, and then it becomes more difficult to release that bond and release that energy.
If you find that it’s an astral parasite, stop.
It doesn’t matter if it’s bringing things, stop anyway. In the long term you are just going to end up with huge problems.
The way to get rid of an astral parasite; firstly, stop interacting with it, stop entertaining it and tell it to piss off. It probably won’t but tell it anyway and keep telling it to piss off, you don’t want it around.
Depending on the bond you’ve created, it may come back, but just keep repeating the process until it’s gone.
You might also find that your environment and your house become messy and dirty. Clean from top to bottom, get rid of all the negative energy and that means cleaning. It means doing the dirty dishes, it means washing the floor, it means, in severe cases, washing the walls and the ceiling.
Get rid of all that negative energy, push that out of your house and it will help push the negative energy away from you and out of you, so clean your house, make sure that it’s neat and tidy and it will help get rid of that astral parasite. If you have an untidy and dirty house, it’s just going to attract more negativity, so make sure everything’s clean.
If it’s standing in front of you and you know it’s there; you can feel it standing in front of you. Try drawing a banishing pentagram. You can use a banishing pentagram of the earth and sort of push it, project it towards and through this entity and it will disappear. If it’s a demon or any form of divine intelligence, it won’t disappear.
There are other methods you can use, especially if you’re working in the astral, and you start working with a demon for the first time. Maybe you meet on the astral plane, and you want to make sure it is that demon and not an astral parasite posing as that demon. Best thing to use is the pentagram.
You can also ask it questions. You can ask it personal questions about yourself that only you know.
A demon will know them, an astral parasite will not, so if they can’t answer, banish, and then just go from there. If it’s an astral parasite, don’t engage it, don’t entertain it, just get rid of it, banish it.
Then, self-created thought forms. These come up a lot more than we think, and a lot of people don’t want to believe that they have created a thought form that is attacking them. It’s just something that we don’t want to even consider most of the time, but it happens a lot. Especially if someone is in an abusive relationship, or in any kind of environment or relationship where they feel threatened.
What usually happens is the rage builds up and that rage then becomes a thought form, and that thought form is constantly attacking them.
You might find that you have activity in your house, because these thought forms can become physical, and I literally mean physical. They can throw things around; they can attack your body physically. That’s how severe and how strong your thoughts can become, and those thoughts are obviously generated from negative emotions.
The anger, the rage, the hatred towards a person or a situation or something. If that builds up enough, it can create that thought form and that form is projected. It kind of separates itself from the person so that it anthropomorphises, but it becomes external to them, so in many cases it can be dealt with.
Once that thought form becomes externalized, it can be dealt with almost one on one.
In a lot of cases this type of work can be healing, but in this particular case where it is generated from that rage and that hatred and anger, it isn’t really healing, it starts attacking the person.
If you find that you have a “ghost” or poltergeist in your house. Things are being thrown around, books are falling off the bookshelf, those usual signs, and you have tried smudging the house or any similar method and through that method, smudging for instance, the activities become stronger, you’ve basically pissed off the entity, it’s not gone, it’s still there.
It is probably a self-created thought form, and there are many ways to get rid of these thought forms.
I’ll talk about the method that I use, which is quite advanced, so if you are battling to get rid of it, you can just pop onto my website and give me a shout for some assistance. In cases like this, it’s definitely required to go and get professional help.
Also, seek out a psychologist, you need that help.
You are probably in an abusive relationship, or you have an abusive environment, where you are constantly being attacked and you are not able to fight back. Through that it creates the rage and the anger and the hatred. You need help.
If you are in a physically abusive relationship, emotionally abusive, mentally abusive, get the help you need. That’s usually going to be a psychologist, but it might also be the police. If you need to get the police involved, do so. You cannot stay in that situation and do not think for a minute or a second that it will stop. Do not think that things are going to get better, or things will change, they will not. You need to get out, you have to.
Concerning the thought form itself. The main way is to get that help, because then you can help yourself overcome that rage, anger and hatred and it’s those emotions that the thought form feeds on and the fear it creates.
If you can work through and get rid of those emotions, the thought form is just going to disintegrate, it’s going to dissolve, because it has no more fear to feed on. That is what it feeds on, what it grows stronger from, your own fear. As it attacks you, it creates fear, more anger and that’s what it feeds on and it just gets stronger.
Work through that. Work through the situation in your life. Work through those emotions and try to resolve them.
The method that I use when I help other people is that I eat, literally eat the thought form.
What this means is that you gather up the thought form, put it into something, a cake, a cookie, something you can physically eat. Through that process you transmute the negative energy into something positive.
You push it into the item of food and then you eat it and you take it into yourself and through that process the transformation of the energy from the negative to the positive, that gets imbued in your body and imbued in your own energy.
You can use it for a lot of different things.
You can use it for healing, but as I say, it’s very advanced, so if you’re not sure how to take that energy and transmute it and you need it done now, seek somebody who can.
Another method I like to use is very similar.
It’s kind of instinctual, but I kind of gather the thought form in front of me and then wings, can only describe them as these bright, white wings that come out of my back, kind of wrap around the thought form and then I actually pull it in and absorb the energy into myself.
Through the process of the wings wrapping around and creating what feels like comfort, it transmutes the negative energy into something positive, then I take it into myself, and it becomes positive energy.
I am going to repeat it again.
Advanced methods. Make sure you know what you are doing before you do this kind of thing, because if you pull that energy in and you haven’t transmuted it into something different, you’re just going to pull in negative energy, you’re going to pull in anger, rage, hatred, which is not going to do you much good.
Definitely figure it out first before you do something like that, but the number one way of getting rid of a self-created thought form, is to seek out professional help and deal with the situation, deal with your emotions. It’s going to take a long time. It’s not going to be overnight.
Even if you do some kind of working where you transmute the energy and you get rid of this thought form; if you are still in the environment and you are still feeling those feelings of anger, rage and hatred, it’s just going to create itself again. That is why you need to deal with that circumstance and get it resolved.
Today we are talking about how to communicate with Daemons, because this question comes up a lot, for obvious and good reason.
When we are working with spirits, we need some kind of interaction.
We are putting stuff in, we want to get stuff back. Probably the most difficult part is listening and I think the question is not really how we communicate with Daemons, but how do we listen to Daemons or how do we hear Daemons?
When you are busy trying to talk to a Daemon, there is a period where you need to stop talking and open up and listen.
That can be difficult, especially for somebody who is just starting out.
A lot of the skills that you need in order to work with or communicate with the Daemons is something that you will need to develop over time.
If you are in the beginning stages, don’t get too frustrated. There are ways that they will talk to you, which you just need to open yourself up to.
Some of the easiest or obvious methods are signs and dreams. You might have some dreams after talking to a Daemon or having been in a ritual where you are trying to communicate with this Daemon, trying to get some answers. You might not get the dreams that night, it might happen in a couple weeks time. The best thing to do is to keep a journal and just to note everything down.
Signs and symbols are also one of the ways they communicate. You may find signs just pop-up during the day and it gets to the point where it’s not coincidental.
If you are trying to get particular knowledge about something, there are a lot of Daemons that will teach you and give you knowledge. When we read the old grimoires and the descriptions in there, we often think that they teach us directly, that they are going to sit there opposite you with a book and a pen, and them with a blackboard giving instruction, but it doesn’t quite work that way.
It’s very similar to a Daemon who brings you gold. It doesn’t mean that they are going to drop gold at your doorstep or at the foot of your bed, they are simply going to align your energy so that you can go in a direction with your business or your job so that you can get to that point where you are bringing in the gold, so to speak.
Coming back to a Daemon who is going to teach you or bring you knowledge, you might find that you come across a particular book. Maybe one that keeps popping up. It may be in adverts while you are browsing the internet or all of a sudden in a group someone starts talking about this book.
Those kinds of things are signs that they are trying to push your way so that you can get the knowledge, so lookout for all those signs and symbols and everything else and again, keep a journal, because often we may see things and we may note them down and then we keep seeing the same things. When we go back in our journals we will notice patterns that start happening. If we are not journaling then we completely miss the pattern.
Those are the simplest ways for the Daemons to communicate with you. Through dreams, symbols, signs and patterns.
Some other ways that you can listen to the Daemons and communicate with them is through divination, you might want to use Tarot, although you have to be quite skilled at Tarot. I say that, but it depends on how developed you have become with divination techniques, you might draw a spread of Tarot and all of a sudden, the answer just shows itself.
A nice one to use is a pendulum. If you have been using a pendulum, you’re quite skilled at it, if you haven’t been, find a pendulum and start working with that. You can use a board which has letters and numbers on it, very much like a spirit board but in this case, the pendulum will swing to particular letters to spell out a sentence or will show you a series of numbers.
Scrying is a good method. In fact, scrying is the one that was used mostly in the old grimoires.
You would have your circle and outside that is the triangle of manifestation or the Triangle of Arte. Within the triangle was the scrying device. Through the scrying device the spirit would communicate with the magician. Scrying is a good method, and you can easily make a black mirror. There’s plenty of instruction on how to make black mirrors on the internet.
You can also use a bowl of water or ink; water is less expensive if you are going to do this often. With water you can take a black ceramic bowl and fill that with water and then experiment with different types of water. You can experiment with tap water, river water, rainwater, and sea water. You might get different results with different waters because they hold different energies.
When scrying with water, what you can also do, if you are specifically working with Daemons and Daemonolatry, as it’s a bloodletting tradition, is add a drop or two of blood in the water. You can also add Delepitore oil to it. You’ve got all these things you can add to the water in order to do the scrying.
You can also scry with fire. You can use a candle flame. You can use a bonfire. There are many different methods, and it might be worth exploring the other techniques.
We hear about Tarot, rune, pendulum, scrying quite often because those are the most popular methods, but there are a load of different ways you can scry or divine an answer from the Daemons.
You can even just watch the sky, watch the clouds forming in the sky. They might form into particular patterns and particular shapes and symbols that is a communication from the Daemon.
You can even use a spirit board, more commonly known as the Ouija board. I think there is a lot of hype around the spirit board. If you are using the spirit board to communicate with the dead, you can open a portal, which then brings a lot of astral parasites through. It isn’t that easy working with the actual dead, but in this case we are talking about Daemons, working or communication with the Daemons and when I say demons, I mean Divine Intelligences. We are not just talking about the Daemons like Lucifer, Azazel, Belial, Leviathan etc. We are also talking about angels, gods and goddesses.
If you are using a spirit board, you can dedicate the spirit board itself to the spirit with whom you want to communicate. There are instructions for this in S. Connolly’s book, Daemonolator’s Guide to Daemonic Magick.
You’d dedicate the board to the spirit and then you communicate with that spirit using that specific board. It does open a portal for communication, but it’s less likely that you are going to get an astral parasite, unless you don’t close it properly.
If you are going to start using a spirit board, or any kind of divination, where you are opening a portal to the spirit realm in order to communicate, learn how to open and close that portal.
When we are working with Daemons, just trying to communicate with them, we sit down and chant the enn and they come through and we communicate with them. This is not opening a portal per se, and it’s difficult to explain, they’re coming through but they’re not coming through as potently as they would if you did a gate opening and you step into their realm, or you open the gate, and their energy comes into our realm. That’s quite different, and when you are working with the spirit board and some other methods of divination you are opening those portals, and as I say, if you need to, then just learn how to open and close a portal properly.
If you don’t close the portal properly, then you will get astral parasites. They see this opening afterwards and they start coming through.
During the process, if you are working with a particular Daemon, you will probably find that they will not come through, if you are working with that actual Daemon at the time and not an astral parasite posing as that demon, bear that in mind.
So, there are many ways to communicate. You can use the spirit board, which has letters and numbers, you can use a pendulum which has letters and numbers, so you can spell out words, you can spell out a name and things like that.
Automatic drawing is a very good method, again, something you need to practice at getting skilled with, because with automatic drawing you do need to open yourself up a lot and allow the spirit to have control of your body, mostly your hand holding the pen or pencil.
That is very similar to the spirit board. You need to allow the spirit to move your arms, so with automatic drawing you are going to allow the spirit to move your hand holding the pen or pencil.
What comes through could be you creating symbols, or it could be a personal sigil that the spirit is giving you in order to call it the next time.
Automatic drawing is great if you need to get a sigil or get a particular symbol in order to communicate with the Daemon.
Dice are great if you need a yes/no answer. You can use dice, or a single die, depending on how you want to do it, and just experiment with it and find out what works best for you. Take two objects and assign yes and no to each object. You might be asking which incense the spirit prefers, frankincense or myrrh? You then throw the die, and whichever object it goes towards, that’s the answer.
You need to experiment with these methods in order to find the one that works best for you.
You might also find that a particular method works well with one spirit, but another works well for another spirit.
The easiest way to communicate with the Daemons is to simply sit down and talk to the Daemon, then listen for the reply. That reply can come through as intuition. It can come through as images, or a smell. It could be a sound you hear that represents something, or you could even hear a voice, and this depends a lot on your natural abilities. You may be clairaudient (hear things), you may be clairvoyant (see things), you may be clairsentient etc. That is why it comes through in different ways.
I am clairsentient, so I get impressions, which means you just kind of know.
When we talk about the Sight and Seeing, because we are using these particular words, we often think it’s done with our eyes or our third eye, this eye that opens up in your forehead and that’s how you see things.
When you are Seeing (with a capital S) you are seeing with your entire being, so you are experiencing the unknown, experiencing the unseen with your entire being. It’s not just sight in the physical sense, you don’t just see. You may feel things, you may hear things and you may just know things, so open yourself up to that whole experience.
Don’t just sit there and think that you are going to see it like you do with your physical eyes.
Rather don’t expect anything and just open yourself up letting whatever comes through come to you and see where it takes you, see where your natural abilities are actually more developed and you can develop the other abilities over time, but find out what your natural abilities are to begin with.
This is why I say it’s not always a skill which we need to develop.
What we need to do is trust ourselves.
When you are talking to a spirit and they give you a reply, quite often you will hear it as your own voice in your head and this is something a lot of us do the entire day where we are talking to ourselves with our own voice. The internal dialogue.
We might play out scenarios or conversations before we have them and we are always hearing it in our head, so when we are communicating with the spirit, we hear this reply and hear it in our head the same way we do quite often when we are talking to ourselves.
That is why we think it’s just ourselves talking to ourselves, and sometimes it is, sometimes what we have to do is talk to ourselves, talk back to ourselves, but eventually what happens is the spirit itself starts taking over, but it’s very subtle most of the time.
In order to discern whether it is you talking to yourself or whether the Daemon is talking to you is something that you need to trust yourself with.
What you will find is that every now and then you will get a reply which is something completely not what you would have ever thought of saying, completely out of character for you.
It’s just something that comes out of nowhere and you may hear it in your own voice, as your inner voice, but it’s something that is totally out of character for you and something you would never have thought of saying.
Then you realize that it’s actually communication from the spirit and that gives us a bit more confidence, but we really do need to learn how to trust ourselves.
When doing magick, don’t just sit there and think, Okay, did it work? Nothing seemed to have happened, it wasn’t like wow in the movies.
We need to trust ourselves a lot more and that brings the results.
If it’s you just talking to yourself, it’s fine, keep doing it and you’ll find that the spirit then takes over and you are then communicating with the spirit directly.
Sometimes it comes through as impressions, sometimes it comes through as visualizations, as images, things in your head, in your imagination. A particular picture could pop up, maybe you are trying to get knowledge from a particular demon about a particular topic and a book will suddenly appear in your head. Then you can go and look for that book on the internet or in the bookshop.
You will have to trust yourself, open yourself up and allow the process to happen the way that it needs to.
There are probably more methods that we can talk about, but I think those are the main things to mention to get you started.
Pacts are one of those things that are often spoken about, although usually from a Hollywood perspective. There are a lot of myths around pact making, but if you’ve read any of the old grimoires like Grimorium Verum, you would have come across the mention of pacts in there.
You’ll probably find, if you’ve studied Modern Daemonolatry, that there is not a lot of mention of pacts. The reason being that Modern Daemonolators prefer to create a relationship with the Daemonic and the Divine Intelligence, the Daemonic force, the Spirits they are wishing to work with.
A case of wanting to work with a particular Daemon, therefore I’m just going to make a pact and that’s it, is very rare. Usually, there’s a relationship that is created and evolves, so there’s no need to make that pact. At the end of the day, it’s an ongoing relationship. It’s not just a once-off, you do this, I’ll do that and that’s it.
However, if you are wishing to make a pact with a Daemon, then it’s quite simple really.
It’s a contract, an oath.
When we talk about oaths, in our modern day we find a lot of people make promises and they don’t stick to them. They may even make contracts and then find a way to get out of it. When you make a contract, or a pact, an oath with a Daemon, there’s no way of getting out of it. It’s an oath.
You’re bound to it and you have to follow through.
If you are going to make a pact, think very carefully of what you’re going to put in that pact, but generally a pact is an agreement, it’s a contract.
You ask the Daemonic force to do a particular thing for you and in return you will do a particular thing for them, an exchange.
When I talk about Daemonolotors creating a relationship with the Daemonic force, there is already an exchange of energy taking place. It takes place all the time, so over a period of time (could be a few months or years or a lifetime) that relationship builds, but there’s an exchange of energy.
You give your energy, and something is given in return.
When you create a pact, you usually write it in letter form. You can put your blood on it to seal the oath and then you put it away. However, remember you must follow through. Do what you said you were going to do regardless of what happens, you must do what you agreed to.
The Myths
When you make a pact with a demon, they do not take your soul.
You do not sell your soul to the devil. You do not sell your soul to a Daemon.
In fact, if you make a pact with a Daemonic force and you say something like, “In ten years time you can have my soul”, they are going to laugh at you and say that is not what they want, so bugger off.
If you do not listen to that and you carry on with the pact, you will probably find an astral parasite will come along, see some yummy food (you), and will latch on to you. It will then start giving you those things that you asked for in the pact, posing as that Daemonic force.
In this case however, they will just create fear, anxiety and depression in you.
You will slowly be drained of energy.
You will be a shell of yourself at the end of the day.
Do not go making pacts where you are selling your soul to a Daemonic force because it is not going to work. It’s going to be detrimental to you, you are going to carry on thinking you’ve made this pact with this Daemon, but you actually didn’t, you made it with an astral parasite who’s posing as that Daemon.
So, there is no selling your soul and saying in ten years time you can have my soul and drag me to hell. That is Hollywood stuff.
As I say, a lot of the stuff we think we know about pacts is from Hollywood movies and TV series such as Supernatural. Although I love them, I mean Supernatural was a fantastic TV series, it’s not all together true.
If you are going to make a pact, remember that it is a contract, it’s an oath, you write a letter saying, “Daemon ABC, I ask that you perform these particular tasks for me and in return I will give you XYZ.”
What you give can vary. The best thing you can do is to sit down with the Daemonic force beforehand and ask them what they want.
It is the same if you are doing invocation work.
You call a Daemon into your space; you ask it to do XYZ and you give it something in return, and it is better to ask the Daemon what they want in return rather than simply guessing.
There are various ways you can do divination work to find out what the demon wants, or you can just sit down and ask the demon directly.
So, you create your contract, or your pact, writing something like (although much simplified), “Daemon ABC, I ask that you do this and that for me, and in return I will give you XYZ“. Then you sign it, you can put your blood on it, fold it up, put it away and stick to it. That’s it.
Do not put in I am selling my soul to you, or in ten years time you can take my soul. None of that Hollywood garbage. Don’t bother with that, because it’s not going to help you.
So that’s if you want to make a pact, but to go back to what I was originally saying, you don’t need to make a pact with a Daemon.
You can simply build a relationship and that relationship continues over months, over years, and you continually work with the Daemonic force that can help you with the things that you want to bring into your life, or the changes that you want to make in your life.
That’s the best way to go about it.
I actually did make a pact years ago with Clauneck. It was a very simple pact. It was to help me with money, bring me riches, etc. I can’t remember what I offered him in return, I do remember that he wanted my left shoe. I had some old trainers, and he wanted the left one. So, I placed it on the altar with the box the pact was put in and that was his offering. There were some other things that I offered in return, and it worked, but that was a long time ago. This was before I discovered modern Daemonolatry, when I was working in more of a Satanic format.
However, the pact did work. It brought me money to get through a particular period of my life where things were very difficult and I got enough money to get through it. It took place over about a six to ten month period and at the end of it, that was it. The pact was finished.
I am still here and have not sold my soul, and I am not being dragged to hell by hellhounds or anything like that.
You can do the pacts if you want to, but as I say, if you are going to really work with a Daemonic force, it is better to build a relationship.
That’s really it.
If you go into the Grimorium Verum, there is a particular way that you make pacts. You work with a particular spirit, which is kind of the gatekeeper and then you go through that spirit and you contact the other spirits like Clauneck.
If you are going to make a pact according to the grimoire itself, I suggest that you really study it. The problem with the Grimorium Verum is that a lot of material is missing. As an example, the lamen right at the beginning is missing from all copies of the text and so people sort of make a guess as to what it is.
If you are going to work with any of the old grimoires, just make sure you know what’s going on, you understand it and that you know how to work with the spirits in that particular fashion.
It’s definitely not my preferred method and I personally suggest building that lasting relationship with them.
I’m sure you have come across reports of people doing evocations, invocations and such things with various spirits and I’m speaking specifically in connection with the Daemons in Daemonolatry.
You usually get a lot of reports from ceremonial magicians regarding this, and Daemonolators as well although the approach is usually different, but with most of these reports or testimonies, let’s state it that way, people come along, they do the work with a particular Daemon and they come back and then share their experiences. With those experiences, you usually find that they call one particular Daemon for one particular task.
This has led us to believe that this is the only way it should work.
I find there are different ways we can work with Daemons, but there is some kind of teamwork that happens and this can happen in two ways.
If you are working on something in your life, let’s go with money magic, and you have a business, you can create a team of Daemons for that particular thing.
Each Daemon will have a particular aspect or area they will focus on. For example, you can have Clauneck, Belphegor, Beelzebub, Mammon, you can even look at Belial, Bune. There are a lot of spirits that will help you with money and business and things like that.
What you do is get your team together. So for instance Mammon is right at the top, he is the one who’s going to take your business and make it into an empire.
Along that path you have other things that need to happen. You might have a month where you will suddenly need to generate emergency income, so you might go to Clauneck for that. Whereas Belphegor will take your existing projects and grow them, keep them going, keep them moving.
If you are a writer or an artist, you might want to look at someone like Aim who will give you inspiration.
There are demons that will give you influence. In this regard you are looking at social media and other platforms like that.
You can create this whole team of Daemons and you don’t necessarily need to go to one specific Daemon at one time and say please do this. You can go to all of them and you can have a discussion. Almost like a board meeting.
It’s not a case of doing something at this particular time and then doing something else at that particular time. Things need to happen all at the same time while you are influencing your social media followers.
You may also need inspiration for a new project, or you may have a project you just launched and you need to get that moving. All these things need to happen at the same time.
The other way this tends to happen is outlined in the following example.
A friend of mine went to Clauneck and needed some money quickly and it was an emergency, started working with Clauneck, but then Lucifer came through.
If you have read the Grimorium Verum, you will know that Clauneck falls under Lucifer, so it kind of made sense. Lucifer came through and Clauneck was there, and they were both interacting.
Then I did some work with her where we called Lucifer and instead of Clauneck coming through, Belial came through. I was expecting a completely different spirit, but Belial decided to come through because he wanted to work with her at that time. Considering what she was going through, it made sense.
What confused her is that she called Clauneck to do the work, nobody else, just Clauneck.
What happened was Clauneck saw that another spirit may be able to help in a particular area, went to Lucifer, said who can we use and eventually Belial came along and said I’m the one to use right now. This whole teamwork happened.
If you are wanting to get a particular thing done and you are looking for the exact right spirit, you might get a bit confused because there may be ten Daemons who can help you with your task, so which one do you pick? Pick the one that feels right for you. Pick the one that resonates with you at that time.
If that particular one isn’t exactly fitting the task that you require, it doesn’t mean the work will not be done. It will mean that they may go to another spirit or another Daemon and ask them, “Can you help with this task?”, and if they can, they will come in and also help.
Don’t close yourself off to that because if you do you start pushing those things away, you start blocking them, rejecting them because that was not supposed to happen. You went to this particular Daemon, you said you want this task done and that is how it’s supposed to happen, that demon was supposed to do it. Don’t block yourself off to all the other possibilities that could come along.
If another Daemon needs to come in and help with that particular situation at that particular time until step 1 is complete and then another Daemon comes in and completes step 2, and so on and so forth, to get you to where need to go, where you need to be, don’t block yourself off to any of that.
I think that it’s very important to realize that just because we think it’s supposed to happen a particular way doesn’t mean it’s going to happen that way.
I’ve said it in the past and I will keep saying it. The Ceremonial approach to Goetic work, to dealing with the Daemons, to working with the Daemons, is one that traps, binds, commands, forces, threatens, etc., is not a good approach. In that situation you’ll probably have the magician call a particular Daemon and say do this or I am going to threaten you. Then if they don’t do the task, they get burnt and threatened, and if they actually get to the point where they can retaliate, they will retaliate and fight back.
Or, you can take the Daemonolator’s approach which is about respect. It’s about give and take. You give an offering, you get something in return. It’s also about building relationships, and if you have built relationships with the Daemons, they will all help.
It’s an energy exchange that happens. If the energy exchange is not happening and it is all just one-sided, you are going to end up with an imbalance. It’s that whole energy exchange that needs to take place.
Just because you have called a particular Daemon, doesn’t mean that that particular Daemon is able to accomplish the task you require. It’s not their fault, it’s just their aspect.
If somebody calls me and asks me to fix their sink and do the plumbing, I can’t do that. It’s not what I was trained for, it’s not what I am good at.
What I will do is call one of my friends who can fix the plumbing and will say come along, do the work, there we go, all done.
It’s the same scenario, if you call a demon that isn’t particularly skilled at what you want them to do, they are going to go off and call somebody who is. Expect that to happen, don’t block it off, don’t reject it, allow it to happen because it’s how you’re going to get the work done at the end of the day.
We tend to mostly read the successful experiences from Magicians, and we then get this impression that it’s simply a case of find the right Daemon, call that Daemon, ask it to go do what you want it to do and it will go off and come back with the results. That’s the impression we get, but a lot of other factors roll into it as well.
I will keep talking about all these factors that could influence your magick negatively. It could be that you are not able to get yourself into a positive frame of mind, you could be thinking too negatively. That’s going to impact your magick even if you do the work, you call the Daemon, you give the offerings and X, Y and Z. If you are constantly thinking negatively it’s not going to work.
All of these factors also come into it and sometimes it is difficult to get yourself into a positive frame of mind, especially if you are in a situation where it just seems like everything is after you and everything’s negative.
We will keep talking about these things, but I think this is quite important that we don’t close ourselves off to other possibilities.
Rather controversial topic and I think everybody has their own interpretation of what God and Satan are, depending on who you talk to and their background.
Because of this channel and the topics I speak about and because I’m a Daemonolater I think it’s quite important to get an understanding of what I personally mean when I talk about God and Satan.
I find it funny because whenever somebody asks me the question of who is the highest being, who is the top dog sort of thing, who is the biggest Daemon, I would say God and it gets a rather interesting reaction most of the time.
Let’s start with Satan.
Satan is the Adversary.
When it comes to Satan, again, everybody is going to have an interpretation.
A Christian is going to have an interpretation which is completely different to a Satanist. A Satanist is going to have an interpretation which is completely different from a Daemonolater.
When it comes to Satan, again, we’ve got very personal interpretations.
For me, Satan is the All, and when I say All I mean the Spirit or Ether, that which is the Elemental King, which is everything.
In this regard, because we are on the left-hand path we talk about antinomianism, and antinomianism is about going against the grain.
It’s going against the grain of society. It’s going against the grain of societal thinking, and actually thinking for yourself. It’s about developing yourself. It’s improving yourself.
This is very much the Adversary.
You are being adverse to what everybody else has been teaching you, has been telling you.
Adverse to the way you’ve been raised.
A lot of people who are listening to this podcast, myself included, come from a western society and that western society usually raises us to believe that demons are evil, God is good, Satan is bad etc. etc. but there’s a lot of other things in there. We are taught how we should react to certain situations. We are taught to suppress our anger.
There are a load of things, we’re supposed to get married and have a child and live happily ever after with that one person.
It’s not always the case.
With the left-hand path and antinomian behavior we go against the grain of society. We question it, but it’s not about becoming a criminal. It’s not about everybody’s good therefore we’re going to be bad.
It’s about questioning all of the things we’ve been taught. Questioning the way we’ve been raised. Questioning the way we have been programmed to think and programmed to believe. Questioning all those things and then doing something which is more in line with our own nature and again, that doesn’t mean becoming a criminal.
In fact, becoming a criminal can be completely against being antinomian, because it would pull you down and bring you down. You will be in a position where you can’t move forward, you can’t grow.
You have to take all those points into account, but when it comes to antinomianism, we are talking about going against the grain of society and that is being the Adversary.
But there’s more to it when it comes to Satan.
My personal interpretation of Satan is that I am Satan. I am the All. I am the creator of my own life, my own future, my own destiny. I do magick in order to change the outcome of something. I do magick in order to alter the energies around me, my environment, my circumstances, in order to move myself into a direction I want to go in.
That is what being Satan is about, it’s about thinking for yourself, about standing up and about improving yourself, about empowering yourself.
If you haven’t already you’ll probably come across this whole thing of “becoming a living god” at some point. When we are talking about becoming a living god, it’s not actually about becoming a god, you already are a god or a goddess.
You come to realise what you already are, and you can then grow from that and grow on that.
We are trying to become a living god, or realising that we are a god or a goddess, and through that we become the creator of ourselves, and we become the creator of our own lives. If we look at the normal construction of the Daemonolatry Circle in Modern Daemonolatry, we find the placement of the Five Elemental beings.
We have the four Elemental beings or four Elemental Kings around the circle and then we have the axis mundi, which is Satan, the All, Ether, Spirit.
Because you are standing in the middle of the Circle, you become the creator of your microcosm which then reflects into the macrocosm.
You are the axis mundi.
You are the world tree.
You are that aspect which is the creator, and you are therefore then Satan.
That is my interpretation. That’s how I see it.
Years back, when I was working with Satan and Satanism specifically, Satan did come through as an entity and that entity was one which was very much connected to the earth, the earth realm itself. He was very much in love with humans and wanted us to grow as a species, wanted us to grow as people, as individuals and as a collective as well.
There was that aspect of Satan being an entity which was separate from me, but as I’ve developed, there’s an overlap that happens and that entity became me.
We could argue that all of the entities are us. We can argue that they are archetypes of us, they are parts of our nature. They are forces of nature which are external to us, but also internal to us, because we are connected to everything.
These arguments can go on and on and they can get a bit bogged down with terminology, understandings and interpretations.
We are the entity and the entity is separate from us.
It’s just all a big mishmash of stuff and you really need to delve into how to understand that.
But you also have to try and remove yourself from the idea that we are individuals and also try and remove yourself from the idea that this physical world is all there is. Even if you believe that this physical world is one thing and we have an astral world, it doesn’t mean that they are separate. They are combined, they are the same. One is a dream, the other is a dream.
To try and put it simply. You are Satan, you are your own Satan, you are your own god or goddess.
That’s how I view the whole aspect of Satan anyway, working from what I work with.
When it comes to God, I take the Kabbalistic approach in this interpretation where I’m not talking about the Christian God. The Christian God, from what I’ve seen and from what I believe, is an Egregore, and that Egregore has been created by thousands and even millions of people over a very long time. A very powerful Egregore, but not the God of the Hebrews, not the God of the original texts and not the God of Kabbalah.
From Kabbalah we understand God to be Everything and No-Thing and what this means is that God is everything that we can possibly touch, see, smell, feel. You can experience God with all the senses, but also with thought, or imagination. Whatever we can imagine, is God. So it’s everything that we can understand, everything we can experience, but at the same time is also nothing which means that God is also those things that we cannot experience, that we cannot understand, that we cannot touch, that we cannot smell, we cannot see.
We could say that God is everything in that case but then we are getting into areas where everything becomes everything that we can experience and we can’t experience everything about God.
We cannot completely comprehend God.
We cannot completely understand or put it into some kind of context.
The Toltec warrior path has a really good explanation of this. We talk about the tonal and the nagual.
The best interpretation of this I’ve ever seen, or ever read, was to imagine that the tonal is an island and beyond the island is an expansive sea. It’s a never-ending sea and that sea is the nagual.
The tonal is everything we can experience, everything we can comprehend, interpret, imagine, touch, feel, see, hear, smell. Everything that we can put into an experience of some kind, even if it’s a physical experience or whether it’s an experience of imagination, or an experience of taking a concept and interpreting it in a certain way.
That’s the tonal and that is our tonal. Everybody’s tonal is different.
Beyond that is the nagual. The nagual is everything that we cannot understand. Everything that we cannot experience. Everything that we cannot interpret in any fashion.
If we take something out of the nagual and we interpret it, we give it definition, then it becomes part of the tonal and it’s the same with God being Everything and No-Thing, so Everything is the tonal, No-Thing is the nagual.
If we take something out of the No-Thing and we give it definition, then it becomes part of the Everything.
This for me is God and when I speak about God, I speak of God as being Everything and No-Thing, and therefore God, everything, demons, gods, goddesses. Any form of deity, any form of pantheon, anything, any spirits, high, middle, lower, astral parasites, the mighty dead, the ancestors, the people that we interact with, the environment that we interact with, the furniture in the house, everything is God.
Therefore all the deities, all the Daemons are also God.
We are God and we are also Satan.
Instead of talking about myself as being a God, I prefer to talk about myself as being Satan because I am therefore the All within my own microcosm, the All within my own space, the All within my own environment and that All which creates my own life but at the same time I am God the Everything and No-Thing because I am connected to that everything and nothing.
That’s why my interpretation of God as everything and nothing is the ultimate being, the ultimate power.
These are just words. God is just a word, Satan is just a word.
When we talk about God, quite often immediately people just click and think the Christian God, it’s just a word, and that word can be interpreted in many, many, many different ways.
I think everybody needs to come to their own understanding and their own personal interpretation of what these words mean to them and go from there.
Not everybody’s interpretation is going to be the same and that’s fine. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. We don’t agree on everything. We don’t need to agree on what God is. We don’t have to agree on what Satan is, but as long as we understand what each one is talking about and what we each understand those words to be, then we can have a conversation, and if we can have a conversation then we can come to understandings and from there we can grow.
What’s been happening for a very long time, and what is still happening, is people just immediately put up a wall because somebody says a particular word which they interpret in a completely different way to the other person. They just put up this wall because they are not willing to understand how that person interprets that word.
It all boils down to communication at the end of the day.
Define these things yourself, but also understand that everybody else is going to define it as well and define it their way. In order to communicate, to grow, to understand, to learn, to change, to develop ourselves, we need to allow ourselves to understand other people’s interpretations.
Through that we can develop ourselves more and grow.
Today I want to talk about what happens when we work with Daemons, the energy exchange that happens, and what takes place.
I think a lot of people have this impression that we do a ritual, we evoke a Daemon into the space, usually with the use of a Triangle of Arte if you’re working with Goetia, and then we tell the Daemon what to do, it goes off and it comes back and it gives you what you want.
That’s not quite what happens and I think understanding this from an energetic point of view is very important in achieving your goals.
When we work with demons, they mostly like to empower us. They like to see us grow. Allow us to become stronger. Allow us to get the things that we want in our lives. In order to do this, things need to change within ourselves.
If we want courage and we’re a timid person, something’s got to change, the Daemon is not just going to make you courageous. There’s an energy that needs to alter within ourselves in order to become courageous or to understand what it means to become courageous.
When we are working with the Daemons, when we’re asking them for things, I think a lot of people have this impression that they go off and bring it to you. As an example, let’s say you are asking for treasure to be revealed. This can be in the form of business, or promotion, or a job if you are looking for a job. A treasure can be a new job that comes to you.
What the Daemon will actually do is align things in your life, but also in yourself. They will change the energy within yourself so that you can move in a particular direction.
Imagine it like walking down a path. That is where your energy is taking you, but in order to get to where you want to be, you’ve got to go on a different path. As you are walking down this path, if your energy doesn’t change or alter in any way, you are going to continue on that same path. So, your energy changes, it alters and suddenly this new path appears and you are now able to see it. That’s usually what happens to most people.
There’s a shift that takes place and sometimes it may be that the Daemon will just put something in your path like a road sign or something like that, so that you can move into a particular direction.
If you need to heal from something then a change in your energy needs to take place.
Of all of these things there’s a change within yourself that actually happens, so what you are doing is working with the energy of the Daemonic. You are calling a particular Daemon which works with a particular aspect and energy. You then incorporate that into your own life and that energy starts to alter your own energy or add to it, improve it, increase it or in some cases decrease it depending on what work you are doing. If it’s getting rid of a bad habit, for instance, the energy that you put into that bad habit needs to decrease the energy of the bad habit.
It’s all about energy and when we’re working with the Daemons, there’s offerings we make. Being Daemonolatry it’s quite often a blood letting. You prick your finger with a lancet, you offer just a drop of blood and that is an energy exchange.
However, it’s not always blood. I’ve had cases where I’ve been asked to give some quite strange things like an old shoe off my left foot. I have worked with a Daemon who asked for just a slice of bread with milk on it, but there is an offering that takes place and the offering itself is a form of energy exchange.
You are working with a Daemon in order to apply their energy into your life to alter your life, to alter your energy, and because you’re taking energy, you need to give energy, the offering of the energy in order to keep a balance, so keep that in mind.
When you are working with the Daemons, it’s always best to ask what the Daemon wants and trust yourself in this. When you start out working with Daemonoloatry it can be quite difficult to know what the Daemon wants, but trust yourself. You’ll ask and then you’ll probably get an impression and you’ll think that’s a bit odd, like I say an old shoe off my left foot was definitely something I did not expect to get asked for. Just trust yourself, the impression you get is the thing that is being asked for.
Also remember to use discernment and make sure that you’re actually working with the Daemon you are calling instead of an astral parasite, because if they start asking for things like hurting yourself or hurting other people it’s probably an astral parasite and not the Daemon you are trying to communicate with.
If you get some requests that don’t seem right, seem harmful in any way, just get that discernment bone going and make sure that you are working with the spirit you are wanting to work with.
But as for the offering, in most cases it’s just a drop of blood and that blood is part of yourself and that is why it’s an offering. It’s energy which comes from yourself, but there is that energy exchange that takes place. You are taking energy and using it, therefore you are giving energy to replace that.
It’s very similar to you going to the graveyard and doing some graveyard work. You are going to go and gather some graveyard dirt. You are going to take energy away from the graveyard, therefore you need to replace that energy, so there’s an equal balance and exchange that happens.
Throughout life, whatever it is there’s always an exchange that needs to take place in order to keep the balance. If you are working or you’ve got a business, you do a job, you do a service, you produce something for somebody in order for that exchange to take place you usually get paid for that service or item or whatever it is that you actually did, so there is an energy exchange that happens.
There always needs to be an energy exchange of some kind, and it’s not always that obvious, but working with the Daemons, we are working with the energy of the Daemonic, and I think that is important to understand.
As I say, it’s not this entity that runs off or shuffles away and grabs something and brings it back to you and puts it in your lap. In most cases it is trying to empower you to move in a particular direction, trying to give you strength, trying to give you the courage, trying to alter your energy, alter your makeup in order to become more powerful to get what you need in life.
I think of the old explanation of doing magic to get a job for instance, it’s no good sitting back and waiting for the job to come to you. You’ve got to put in your resume to 100 companies, but the magick will make it more possible for you to get a job that you actually want. But if you just do the magick and sit back and wait for it all to come to you, nothing’s going to happen because you’re not doing what you need to do.
It’s very similar here. You can’t expect the Daemons to go out and just bring everything to you and just sit back and wait for it. You need to do the work. You need to go out there and make your own life. The Daemonic energy is going to make that possible. It’s going to shift things in your life, it’s going to put things in your path so that you alter direction.
Welcome back to the podcast. This is Season 2 and we will be covering some varied topics this season, but mostly revolving around Daemonolatry. So, without further ado, let’s get straight into it.
I had a question from a follower which read:
“I’ve heard that people correspond to demons to parts of the ego. Is this true and for example how Asmodeus is the demon of lust, can you call it demonic possession if a person is driven by lust?”
It’s actually a very big topic and there’s obviously lots of different schools of thought on this. If you look at Crowley’s version of the Goetia, there is a chapter in there titled “Initiated Interpretation of Ceremonial Magick” and Crowley goes through a whole discussion of how the Daemons, even the Names of Power, the seals, the colours, the incense and all of the correspondences are used to stimulate all the senses and to stimulate sections of the brain.
He says the spirits of the Goetia are portions of the human brain and the seals therefore represent methods of stimulating or regulating those particular spots.
I don’t completely agree with Crowley and I will explain why just now.
It’s an interesting thought and a very interesting topic. The Daemons, the seals that we use, the colours that we use in an evocation or invocation. All of those things are used to stimulate portions of the human brain and therefore stimulate parts of the psyche which relates back to the question regarding the Daemons corresponding to different parts of the ego.
What Crowley was trying to say was that using the seals and all five senses within a ritual will stimulate parts of the brain and these parts will then bring out certain aspects of ourselves, which correlate to the aspects of the Daemons we are evoking, invoking etc.
It’s quite easy to see it that way, because for instance, if you use a Daemon which has the aspect of discovering treasure, then that could stimulate parts of your brain, which enhance your business acumen.
In a sense you can use it to stimulate parts of the brain and parts of the psyche to bring about different results and it’s a very good way to actually do it, but when you are working with Daemons, or in my experience at least, this is only part of it.
To get back to the question.
If somebody is driven by lust, are they Daemonically possessed?
It depends on the case.
If somebody is so driven by lust that it’s uncontrollable and it’s a continuous thing, then it’s usually a chemical imbalance. It could be something that needs to be attended to by a psychologist and a psychiatrist.
It’s possibly something that is imbalanced in the person themselves and in the years gone by, in ye olde days, if anybody was afflicted by anything, whether it was a disease, whether it was a psychological problem, it would be equated to Daemonic possession, but now we are a bit more advanced. We’ve discovered a lot more with psychology and such, but somebody can have an unhealthy imbalance within themselves, which drives them to lust, and as I say it can be a continual thing. Something that they cannot control.
You can also have a healthy lust. Something that comes up every now and again and you express it.
As with everything, you have your healthy and unhealthy sides.
You will find that when you work with the Daemons, and I’m going to stick with Asmodeus specifically, there is something else that happens.
Each Daemon has a particular energy and when you channel that energy through you, you channel the aspects of that Daemon, because it’s that energy that is filling you up and therefore it, for a period of time, changes you. So if you are channelling the energy of a Daemon which has a particular aspect of being particularly good with business, for instance, then you channel that energy and you become particularly good with business, because you are filled with that energy.
When you’re working with somebody like Asmodeus or any other lust Daemon for that matter, you are going to be channelling that energy of lust, and no matter what you are actually doing, no matter what work you’re doing, you’re going to have that energy in you, which means you’re going to be left with those feelings of lust for quite a while.
The first time I worked with Asmodeus, I was completely horny for 48 hours, you know, over the top type of horny, but it is not the same thing as saying somebody is driven by lust in an unhealthy way, very different, it’s controllable, it’s something that is actually quite pleasurable.
We look at things like lust as being bad or evil, because that’s again how we’re raised in the Western society, but lust is a very healthy thing, lust can be used for incredible things.
It can be used for magick. Lust is a very strong driving force and if you can transmute it into something different and use it for magic, it’s incredibly powerful. Just looking simply at sex magick. Some people aren’t really wired that way and maybe a bit uncomfortable with it, but if somebody is using sex magick, they can use it for incredible outcomes to their magick work.
When we talk about working with the Daemons in this aspect, is it part of the ego, the human brain or part of the psyche?
There are various different ways we can work with Daemons and it’s not just Daemons, you can take parts of your own psyche and ego and separate them, split them off, and identify them. So we’re going to continue with the question.
You take your lust and you separate it, you personify it and you assign that to a Daemon or you can go into chaos magic and make it into a servitor and when you want that particular aspect you can invoke that particular aspect, fill yourself up with that particular aspect, that particular energy. If you’re finding you’re having a bit of an imbalance you can go to that aspect, the Daemon, the servitor, however you’ve personified it and speak to it and ask it to just settle down, balance things out or go to a different aspect of your ego or your psyche which has been identified, and that part can then come in and bring back balance.
There’s all different ways you can work with this.
You can do as mentioned just now, take parts of your psyche or your ego, personify them, assign them to different Daemons so that you can actually work with them in that way, or, you can invoke the Daemons as entities, as separate beings from your own psyche, from your own self and you will then invoke the energy of that particular Daemon, that particular spirit and fill yourself with that energy so that you can bring out those aspects within yourself.
This discussion can go on for a very long time, because you can look at it from all different perspectives. For instance if we look at the idea that we are god, we are mind, we are the architect, we are all, we are everything. We may be individual consciousness in a particular time, but we are that aspect which is everything. We’re all connected to One. It’s probably the easiest way to put it. We are all One. So, we may be an individual consciousness, but we are part of that One and being part of that One makes us that One.
When we look at it from that perspective then all of the Daemons, the spirits, the gods, the goddesses etc. that we may consider to be separate entities are also part of us and they are us.
Many different ways to view this whole thing and it’s very important to examine these aspects, but when you’re doing the work itself, the way in which you view this, whether you are viewing them as part of the psyche or whether you are viewing them as separate entities from yourself that you pull in, speak to and interact with, that’s what’s going to affect your work.
It’s no good thinking something like: “Okay, well this is a separate Daemon, but I don’t really believe it is, I believe it’s part of my psyche,” and then try to force that aspect or idea that it’s a separate entity. It doesn’t fit with your own thinking. It’s just not going to work, so in a working itself, it’s better to work with the ideology that fits you personally, but at the same time also consider and also think about all of the different aspects, all of the different ideologies that make it all possible.
I like to work with the Daemons as separate entities, as energies that are beyond myself, which I then pull in, fill myself with and work with for a period of time. That energy then dissipates and moves on and I continue in that fashion instead of identifying those aspects as part of myself, but I know at the same time it’s all the same thing.
You just need to get to the outcome that is easier for you. It ‘clicks’ better is probably the best way to put it. What ‘clicks’ better for me may not be what ‘clicks’ for you. Everybody needs to find out what works for them, but you have to examine all of those ideologies first before you can actually decide which is your best fit.
For a long time I did have a battle. I was going back and forth from this idea that a Daemon is part of my psyche and then I would consider it as a separate entity, but then it made sense that it’s part of my psyche, but it’s actually a separate entity because of the way I interact with it. It’s not the same as how I was considering interacting with my psyche, but it just made sense and I was going back and forth for a long time, for years and finally realised that it’s all the same thing anyway.
Don’t try to split one ideology off from another because they are doing the same thing, they just seem different. It’s simply just the approach that we take to something, but it doesn’t mean that the approach we take is any different to the approach somebody else takes, it’s just that it’s something personal and feels better for us.
I think that answers the question.
If it doesn’t, just leave a comment and we can discuss it further if need be.